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Who needs an American LaFrance when you can get a 6 cylinder 1909 Premier?
People go to great length and cost to change former ALF firetrucks into edwardian racers with Mercedes looks. Great machines yet as these were never built as automobiles you may experience some issues entering them for events which only allow for cars, not trucks. Others build Edwardian racing specials based on a pre-1914 chassis with a large period (aero) engine. Fabulous hobby, but depicted above is a strictly original supercar base. A 1909 six cylinder T-head 45/55 HP Premier. We fell madly in love with the big six thumper with its elaborate vertically operating valve gear.
The manufacturer from Indiana was not into racing to burning buildings, but yes into real racing (see for instance Premier's awesome yet unsuccesful 1905 Vanderbilt Cup Racer). So the marque not only built cars but also has racing pedigree. The car depicted above was delivered as a large saloon and was changed to its current guise in the fifties when nobody protested against vandalising saloons. Personally we would dispose of the horrible wings plus redundant brass ware and repaint the beast to our own taste. Two setbacks. One, no chain drive, pfff who cares, be a 1909 modernist. Two , the low estimate of $40,000 ( Euro 33,000 or GBP 27,000) is probably meant only to draw your attention. We wouldn't be surprised if the car will fetch double, or triple but hey you never know. Anyway when short of budget be sure to check the long list of alternative project cars.
Bonhams USA, the estate of Dr Ralph W.E. Cox Jr., May 10
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Samstag Mai 3rd, 2014
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Unbekannt
18 Oktober 2014, 03:33
I have the front fenders that were removed from this car and came from Dr. Cox's estate . They are slightly modded. But are in excellent condition. If interested please contact me . Scott
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13 Mai 2014, 21:50
We convert old fire truck chassis because we can't afford £85,000 for a 1909 premier chassis. Not all of us live in mansions in the Cotswolds supping G&T's on the croquet lawn whilst browsing through the latest edition of country life. I for one am a proud owner of a lafrance speedster and have worked dammed hard as an engineer to be able to afford one. I'm getting a little fed up with the snobbery surrounding these machines by your website and in fact a recent edition of the sister publication 'The Automobile' where in a recent copy a derisory remark made in finds and discoveries about "another" lafrance. Speedster. Not all lafrance owners are trying to make out they are something they are not. It will be the closest thing I will ever get to driving and certainly owning a 'real' Edwardian speedster.
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05 Mai 2014, 12:55
The (camper)truck in the picture is from 1911, probably a modified 6-60.
I also think that the steering column in your period picture is either totally wrong or not fixed, as it is by far too high, look also at the brake lever on the right side of the car.
The story behind the "truck" is quite interesting:
http://www.autogiftgarage.com/carculture/tag/premier-motor-manufacturing-company/
editor: the period photo is probably form the fifties and made during the proces of convesion from saloon to two seater speedster
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I also think that the steering column in your period picture is either totally wrong or not fixed, as it is by far too high, look also at the brake lever on the right side of the car.
The story behind the "truck" is quite interesting:
http://www.autogiftgarage.com/carculture/tag/premier-motor-manufacturing-company/
editor: the period photo is probably form the fifties and made during the proces of convesion from saloon to two seater speedster
Unbekannt
04 Mai 2014, 21:03
Premier did produce trucks in 1912 (4-40 engine). I think this was the first year of Premier trucks, but I am not sure.
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04 Mai 2014, 17:04
Sorry, but a short search on the net brought me to the following picture:
http://autogiftgarage.com/images/Premier%20Prairie%20Schooner.jpg
I would consider this as a light truck.
Apart from that I recommend a look at the Premier model 4-40. Why should one produce a huge six cylinder T-head engine with 45hp, if he has already a normal sv-4cylinder with 40hp ?
editor: Nice photo! It seems like a 'fresh' conversion from another tourer into a tilt car, not a factory made truck.
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http://autogiftgarage.com/images/Premier%20Prairie%20Schooner.jpg
I would consider this as a light truck.
Apart from that I recommend a look at the Premier model 4-40. Why should one produce a huge six cylinder T-head engine with 45hp, if he has already a normal sv-4cylinder with 40hp ?
editor: Nice photo! It seems like a 'fresh' conversion from another tourer into a tilt car, not a factory made truck.
Unbekannt
04 Mai 2014, 13:58
When comparing this 1909 car with the 1905 racing car. there are some questions:
- why should someone who manufactured a OHC-engine in 1905 produce a T-head SV-engine in 1909 and use it in a car ? In 1909 T-heads were extremely oldfashioned and rather used in some lorries.
- the original period picture shows a steering column in a position, which never could be used on a passenger car. But on a truck it would fit.
- the overall dimensions of the 1909 vehicle speak for a truck, just compare to real racing cars from that period.
- how the heck do you call its first owner a modernist ? Such an iron engine, one year before the Bugatti 13 with its four-valve OHC-engine, was certainly far away from being modern at that period.
To me it is just one more contraption for the foolish.
editor: as far as we know Premier was not in the production of trucks. The earlier steering position is apt for a tourer or big saloon as it was built to our understanding. For the more sporty use to which the cars was converted several decades ago it is only understandable that the steering position was amended. We're looking at an edwardian 'special' for people who like large machinery.
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- why should someone who manufactured a OHC-engine in 1905 produce a T-head SV-engine in 1909 and use it in a car ? In 1909 T-heads were extremely oldfashioned and rather used in some lorries.
- the original period picture shows a steering column in a position, which never could be used on a passenger car. But on a truck it would fit.
- the overall dimensions of the 1909 vehicle speak for a truck, just compare to real racing cars from that period.
- how the heck do you call its first owner a modernist ? Such an iron engine, one year before the Bugatti 13 with its four-valve OHC-engine, was certainly far away from being modern at that period.
To me it is just one more contraption for the foolish.
editor: as far as we know Premier was not in the production of trucks. The earlier steering position is apt for a tourer or big saloon as it was built to our understanding. For the more sporty use to which the cars was converted several decades ago it is only understandable that the steering position was amended. We're looking at an edwardian 'special' for people who like large machinery.