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What make is the Gliddens’ car?

John sent a letter to the editor. He told us that he found this photo in a Dutch magazine 'De Prins der Geillustreerde Bladen'. The caption tells us about Mr and Mrs Glidden from Boston, in The Hague, Netherlands duringthier world trip. And that the photo is taken in front of hotel 'Viex Doelen'.

He wrote to us “It is without a doubt, 'Charles Glidden, with his wife Lucy, who were the first (in 1902) to circle the world in an automobile and repeated the feat in 1908. The Glidden tours, according to Wikipedia, were named after Charles J. Glidden, a financier and automobile enthusiast, who presented the AAA with a trophy first awarded to the winner of the 1905 tour. This photo accompanying the Wikipedia article, with the Gliddens in London, shows a car that is surprisingly similar to the one in 'De Prins der Geillustreerde Bladen'.

A mystery is the registration number A 3622 that could have been issued to the Gliddens for the duration of their stay in NL. In 1922, the same number went to a motorist in Groningen, the Netherlands.”

Can anyone answer the question for John: What make is the Gliddens’ car?

 

See here the Glidden Tour Mystery and an article about The Glidden Tours (and the 68th annual Revival) that we published earlier.

 

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Montag Juli 20th, 2020
Jon Dudley
22 Juli 2020, 14:07
Here's the book...
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Grimmo
21 Juli 2020, 20:00
Here is a photo of A3622 taken in St Louis, printed in a September 1904 British magazine.

Glidden was not in Holland until September 1903 but went from Harwich to Rotterdam 8th June 1904 driving to and around the German Gordon Bennett course and finishing at Homburg 15th July. The car went via Rotterdam and London to reach the USA by 25th July. Hence, only in that July was A3622 reported near The Hague.

This Napier was reportedly specially built in January 1904, although Glidden said he was driving the one bought in 1903 and later, S.F. Edge confirmed that he had used the same car in 1903-4 and that it was a “1902 pattern”.

When interviewed in September 1903, Glidden said “I bought my first car in 1901, and at the end of the year abandoned it for a 1902 model and in the same way acquired a third car, with all the improvements, this year. I am so well satisfied with my 1903 car that I shall not part with it.”

Confirmed in April/May 1904 reports too: “Last year he acquired his present machine, a strong, specially made 24hp Napier, which has already done 7000 miles... Mr. Glidden will continue to use the same 24hp Napier motor-car.”
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John Elema
21 Juli 2020, 16:12
1904 it must be since ‘De Prins ...’ was issued from 1901 and the Glidden photo appears in the July volume 4 copy. (The folder with ‘1903’ on it contains both volume 3 & 4 copies which I overlooked, sorry)
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Ariejan Bos
20 Juli 2020, 23:32
Thanks, but this can't be correct, as the A-3622 registration number was issued some time after January 1904. So the photo at the Hotel du Vieux Doelen must have been made in 1904. This makes sense, as before Glidden started his world tour he visited the Gordon Bennett races in Homburg, Germany in June 1904. His intention was to embark for the US afterwards. So probably on the way back to Rotterdam he visited The Hague, where the photo was made. Which must have been in June or July 1904, not 1903. By the way, my earlier remark about the number of cars and vans was incorrect, the number just went from 1 to 9999.
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John Elema
20 Juli 2020, 20:02
As for Ariejan's question, the photo is published in the july 1903 issue of this magazine
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Jon Dudley
20 Juli 2020, 17:46
Charles Thomas a local (to me) Rottingdean man drove The Napier for its owner around the world...its a fabulous story recounted in this book.
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Grimmo
20 Juli 2020, 16:04
The Gliddens were in Holland several times. Returning from the Arctic in 1903, they passed though in a 16hp Napier, calling at Amsterdam and Rotterdam, covering 240 miles on roads he recorded as good, adding “in Holland the horses seem well accustomed to them [automobiles], and are admirably handled by those in charge". He also said with respect to importing the car to different countries: “In Holland quaintly enough, they demanded no cash, but I was requested by the Customs officials to give solemn word of honour that I would not do a trade with the car”

He was there again in 1904 according to UK papers of June 9th: “The Glidden world touring automobile party using a 24 H.P. Napier Motor Car completed their tour of the British Isles at Harwich on Tuesday, and are now driving in Holland... After a drive in Holland and Germany, the party leave for Boston, starting from that city on July 25th, across the American continent, continuing around the world westward to Honolulu, New Zealand, Australia, and other countries on route, returning to England from the East in 1906.”

His engineer on the tours was Charles Thomas of London – is that him standing?

Glidden used a standard 16hp Napier during 1902’s 5125-mile Germany-France tour; a new 16hp, equipped to reach the Arctic Circle in 1903 (“specially roomy type to accommodate his stores, and with larger wheels than usual”) and a 1904, 24hp. This would seem to be the latter.
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Anthony Green
20 Juli 2020, 19:40
For those interested in the full Charles Glidden story, mechanic/engineer Charles Thomas' grandson, Andrew M. Jepson, published a book in 2013/14 entitled 'Around the World in a Napier' (The History Press). I haven't seen the book myself, but apparently it contains many unique photographs taken by Charles Thomas during their extensive travels, in addition of course to a comprehensive narrative of the actual journeys.
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Anthony Green
20 Juli 2020, 13:08
PreWar Car published a long article on 16th October 2016 about this same 24 hp 4 cylinder 1904 Napier (https://www.prewarcar.com/napier-rail-car) . There is an accompanying photo of the car with Charles Glidden and the same registration number A 3266, but with the car fitted out in Canada with flanged wheels mounted on rail tracks.
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Ariejan Bos
20 Juli 2020, 11:19
It is curious, that The Netherlands are lacking in the list of 35 countries Glidden claims to have visited during his world tour. As this picture was unknown to me, I'm interested in the publishing date of the photo to see how it fits in in his travel scheme.
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Ariejan Bos
20 Juli 2020, 11:13
The Dutch registration system after January 1st, 1906 was in fact identical to the British system, i.e. a letter (for the specific province) followed by a number. A difference was that the British A (the first London registration, starting on January 1904) only lasted until May 1905, when all 4000 numbers reserved for cars and vans were issued. For the A of the province of Groningen in The Netherlands it lasted 18 years before they reached the same number. Indicating the difference in motorization between these two areas!
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Joseph Amara
20 Juli 2020, 10:25
I believe the car is a 1902 Napier.
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David Harrison
20 Juli 2020, 09:35
The car is a Napier.
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Kevin Atkinson
20 Juli 2020, 01:03
1904 24hp Napier with an British registration
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