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What is it? Quiz #428



It's seems like a shot from Comedy Capers, but sorry this scene was shot in Germany. The car being beyond oily rag condition is nowadays truly an oddball while they were quite successful in their time. The name of the marque is a three letter abbreviation of a very long name indeed. At least it is one of the longest we ever saw.  The engine is an aircooled four cylinder unit. After WWII they came with a six cylinder version. However this probably didn't bring the success they were hoping for. The end came in 1921.
The good news is that the car above is still around! And in fact is fully restored. We just wonder why it never popped up in our earlier articles about round radiators. 
Anyway, if you want a chance to win the infamous PreWarCar T-shirt it is your job to decide about the car pictured above what is the Make, Year & Type.  And add relevant information up to a maximum of 100 words. Original information which is not available on copy/paste basis from the web is highly appreciated when the answers of competitors are otherwise equal. Yet before posting your comment be sure to check the Rules under Read More. 

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Freitag September 2nd, 2016
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06 September 2016, 17:50
franklin model d
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05 September 2016, 16:58
MAF - Markranstädter Automobilfabrik (1909-1923) model. 10-12ps 1908
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05 September 2016, 12:50
The car is a NAG and was made in Berlin by Neue Automobil Gesellschaft. The model has the hallmarks of an early Puck model also called Darling later with an enlarged engine. The ten spoke front wheels were a hallmark of these early models. The NAG marque is not uncommon here in Australia with a number of survivors, of the water-cooled model.

I have previously been a winner - no Tee-shirt arrived then.
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05 September 2016, 10:53
There is a surprising amount of information available about MAF (Markranstädter Automobilfabrik, founded by Hugo Ruppe in Markranstädter, Germany). There is a large entry in von Fersen's "Autos in Deutschland 1885-1920", as well as in Georgano.

There is also a large amount on the web (see below), plus a site (http://www.dt.se/allmant/dalarna/har-rullar-en-105-aring) which has your photo and photos of the surviving car.

I'll spare you all the guff listed in these references.

Of the websites, one has a very comprehensive reproduction of an (undated) MAF catalogue. (This site has the ridiculous url http://markranstaedter-ansichten.de/index.php/galerien-markranstaedt-markranstaedt-stadt-markranstaedt-postkarten-wolfram-friedel-wolfgang-altmann-bilder-rathaus-ssv-markranstaedt-fussball-rathaus-kinderfest-nussbaum-stadtbad-grosslehna-kleinlehna-altranstaedt-bahnhof-grosslehna-bilder-fotos-foto-spo/mit-freundlicher-unterstuetzung-der-mitarbeiter-des-heimatmuseums Sorry!) It shows a car like the one in your photo - down to identical body - described as:




"MAF Type D. 3. Viercylinderwagen 5/12 P.S. "Doktor-Wagen" fur 3 Personen"

I believe "your" car is a slightly earlier version of this car, rated 5/10 P.S. (see radiator badge which rates it 4.7/10), so let's guess c1910-11. The air-cooled 66 x 90 motor (incidentally equal to 1232cc, not the 1192cc quoted in von Fersen and most later references) is cooled by no fewer than THREE fans - one three-blade fan each side of the cylinder, and a fan built into the flywheel. A transverse shaft at the front of the motor, presumably driven by a skew gear on the front of the crank, drives the fans by flat belt on the left, and a large Ruthardt magneto on the right. The valve layout is very unusual, with overhead exhaust valves and side inlets. (In the air-cooled motorcycle world, there are only two well-known machines with this configuration - the British Martinside in the 1920s and the Indian Four for just a year or two in the late 1930s.) All the valves are on the right, but the carburettor (listed as a Marvel, but looking identical to the G&A fitted by Minerva and others) is mounted low on the left. It seems that the cylinders are cast in pairs, with inlet valves fed from the manifolds on the right.

Compared with the motor, the car is pretty conventional. Three speed gearbox amid-ships, cardan shaft to the rear axle which is supported on full elliptics with a radius arm each side attached to the chassis. Half elliptic at the front.

Why was the MAF not mentioned in relation to cars with radiators, you ask? Because it doesn't have a radiator!!!




(I have won a quiz once before, but still waiting for my tee shirt.)

Leon Mitchell
Adelaide
South Australia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markranst%C3%A4dter_Automobilfabrik

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hd22SUvwkU4

http://www.spitzerer.de/historie/slevogt/maf_werb1.htm

http://www.bygdeband.se/sverige/varmlands-lan/kristinehamn/rudskoga/bild/2378567/

http://markranstaedter-ansichten.de/index.php/galerien-markranstaedt-markranstaedt-stadt-

markranstaedt-postkarten-wolfram-friedel-wolfgang-altmann-bilder-rathaus-ssv-

markranstaedt-fussball-rathaus-kinderfest-nussbaum-stadtbad-grosslehna-kleinlehna-

altranstaedt-bahnhof-grosslehna-bilder-fotos-foto-spo/mit-freundlicher-unterstuetzung-

der-mitarbeiter-des-heimatmuseums
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04 September 2016, 21:46
Hi, the car is a MAF around 1908.

the picture is most probably taken in Sweden. Probably in Dalarna region according to the boys clothes and the style of the barn in the background.
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04 September 2016, 20:10
It is a car from the Markranstädter Automobilfabrik near Leipzig. I think it is from 1908 and is today in sweden. MAF was founded bei Paul Hugo Ruppe, a famous ingenieur from apolda in thüringen.
Greetings from Germany
Frank Sauerwald
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04 September 2016, 18:40
This a MAF from about 1908.
I think I've seen this picture before. I have a feeling for that photo was taken in Sweden

L-G
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04 September 2016, 16:33
1911 M.A.F. 1908 - 1921 Markranstadter Automobil-Fabrik, Markranstadt. Hugo Ruppe was a German and the son of Arthur Ruppe, the maker of Piccolo cars. When he set up on his own at Markranstadt near Leipzig, he followed his father's example by using air-cooling. He made several models with 4 cylinder engines, including the 1192cc 4/12PS, 1375cc 5/14PS, 1620cc 6/16PS and the 1800cc 7/21PS. They all had 3 or 4 speed gearboxes and shaft drive, and most were sold with 2 seater bodies. After the first World War the 1620cc model was revived under the designation 618PS, later 6/24PS, and there werte plans to make a 3400cc 14/38PS with a single overhead camshaft engine, but this never went into production. In 1921 the business failed and the factory was sold to Apollo
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ian
04 September 2016, 14:31
This looks like the Chassis in the Beaulieu Museum , in the scrap pile , near the crashed car on the tow truck.
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Joseph Schmitt
04 September 2016, 07:07
Es ist ein MAF Type D3 5/12 PS 1908
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04 September 2016, 06:56
This is an early MAF, built by the Markranstädter Automobilfabrik, a company founded by Hugo Ruppe of Apollo fame. The car must have been built before 1912 when MAF changed to oval radiators. There are at least 10 surviving MAF cars, of which this one could be a 1910 Typ D 4/12 PS.

(two time winner at postwarclassic)
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03 September 2016, 12:45
This car is Germany production name MAF - Markrandstädter Automobil Fabrik, Hugo Ruppe,G.m.b.H. Exist in time 1879 to 1949 in town Markrandstadt.Automobils made in years 1909-1923. Best regards-Jirka Schwarz Ceský Krumlov, Czech Republic
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03 September 2016, 12:39
This may be a „MAF“ which stands for „Markranstädter Automobil-Fabrik“, Type D, built between 1911 and 1914. The car had a 4 cylinder air-cooled engine with bore/stroke 66/90 mm respectively and 1,2 liter displacement. This 12 hp engine propelled the 550kg car via a 3 speed gearbox towards a top speed of 60 km/h. Base price at the time were 3850,- Mark. The car was air-cooled but had a fan wheel on each long-side of the engine to improve cooling. The two fans were connected via a shaft between the two cylinder blocks and were thus driven by a single belt. The 4 cylinders were cast in blocks of two.

Hugo Ruppe founded MAF in May 1908, after working for his father’s company „Ruppe & Sohn“ in Apolda, Saxony, a company known for the „Piccolo“. MAF went bankrupt in 1911 and was subsequently sold to a holding company controlled by Hugo's father.

Hugo went on to work for MAF until 1914, experimenting with a new two-stroke engine design. After the war, he did not return to MAF but worked for „Zschopauer Maschinenfabrik J. S. Rasmussen“ which had bought Hugo’s patent for a 18cc or 1/4 hp engine called „Des Knaben Wunsch“ which prepared the ground for DKWs success in later years.

Kind Regards, Moritz (two T-shirts)
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03 September 2016, 08:34
The car in question is an MAF Type D3 5/12 h.p. built in 1908 by the Markranstädter Automobil Fabrik in Markranstädt (Saxony). According to contemporary advertisements the version with the open 3-seater body was called “Doktorwagen” (doctor’s car). The car in the picture was originally sold in Sweden and returned to its “hometown” only in 2011 where it was fully restored. The founder of MAF, Hugo Ruppe, was a bright engineer who joined DKW after WW1 where he constructed the company’s first 2-stroke engine. Later he founded a motorcycle manufacturer in Berlin (Bekamo) which used wooden frames for its bikes.
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03 September 2016, 07:35
1908 M.A.F. from the province of Dalecarlia, originally in traffic up to 1928! There are at least twelwe survivors known, another Swedish example two years younger returned quite recently to it's native country Germany.
Erik Lundvik imported quite a few of these to Sweden, but probably not this one as he begann his own business in 1910. His ads mentioned low fuel consumption and were more stable than the three-wheelers. He also used them in his driving school in Stockholm
Markranstädter Automobilfabrik was founded by Hugo Ruppe from the same family that was already building the Apollo, als air-cooled.

I am a judge
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03 September 2016, 07:02
Hello,
this is an early version of MAF Typ D3 5/12 PS or 6/10 PS twoseater (1909-1911), built in Markranstädt (near Leipzig) from the Markranstädter Automobilfabrik, vormals Hugo Ruppe GmbH, Markranstädt bei Leipzig.
In an other book you can read: Typ D 4/12 PS - but is this correct ?
Some of these cars survive in the German Democratic Republic, now you can see one them in the Museum in Markranstädt or "open door day" Oldtimerclub Markranstädt.

Best regards
Christian Günzel
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