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What exactly is today’s Friday Lady driving?

The AA badge, just visible behind the front wing is a clue to this being a British scene on a rather dreary day. But then the van in the background points towards that direction also – a Fordson Thames or Morris Eight Van we believe, giving perhaps a bit of a time deduction. But we cannot say much more about this enthralling image. It’s one from the files with no further clues to its origins.

We wanted to share it with you nevertheless, if only it was for that fashionable Friday Lady behind that big steering wheel. Can you tell us more about her? A model or movie star perhaps? It’s not from Genevieve, is it? And how about that short wheel based two-seater roadster? Other than that it must have been a classic when this picture was taken, we draw blanks ourselves!

Words by Jeroen Booij.

 

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Freitag Februar 7th, 2020
David GREEN
11 Februar 2020, 15:58
Ariejan Bos' remarks are fair comment. One could even add the snake snout hooter to the list of similarities between LD 481 and the car in the PreWarCar photograph. However, I did enter the caveat, in my comments, that, if the two cars were the same, then LD 481 had had a firm make-over at least once in its life. And, so it appears. I was unaware of the very early photograph, but it clearly shows the car has had two different rear bodies between then and now, and the photograph in PreWarCar is well on the way to adding a third.
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Ariejan Bos
11 Februar 2020, 10:34
Another view of the car as it is now.
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Ariejan Bos
11 Februar 2020, 10:31
I would like to make a comment on the remark by David Green about the originality of the car. In my opinion the chance that a more than 100 year old car is completely original is almost zero. Coincidentally a period picture of LD 481 circulates on the internet and if you look carefully at all body parts and compare with the actual situation, you will notice that many did not escape modification. The dash, the mudguards and also the rear part of the car on the period picture are all different in size or shape. The hooded dash is much wider. The mudguards are definitely different and have different curves. The fuel tank is placed lower and seems to be smaller in diameter, although the latter is difficult to see. The side light bracket was on the front of the dashboard, is now on the side. The bracket that holds the mirror nowadays, used to hold a speedometer. Moreover it is clear that the paint on the car has now definitively covered all originality, including the colour. The angle of the bonnet side however is still the same. This is logical as this angle is determined by the angle of the radiator side.
I still believe that the lead photo shows the LD 481 in some 'in between' stage, roughly halfway between then and now. How many De Dions of that model would have the same mirror and bracket combination on exactly the same spot of the dash?
I want to add: this is not about right or wrong. It's only about factual observation!
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Martin Flanagan
10 Februar 2020, 03:01
The beautiful little roadster is a De Dion-Bouton of about 1909 , the crease line on the hood helps to identify the car, it is a continuation of the radiator profile . Packard radiators of the era were very similar in profile and continued along the hood line as well. A similar car was shown at Pebble Beach a few years ago.
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David GREEN
09 Februar 2020, 17:54
I am attaching a file photo of LD 481, which is indisputably a De Dion, and was described at Pebble Beach as 1909 BV Type de Course. Bonhams sold a 1909 SN Model G voiturette in the not-too-distant past, which is vaguely similar, but nothing like the same match as the Pebble Beach De Dion. The gear change tilts further forward; the scuttle is not the same shape (the SN in these voiturettes seems to sport a radiator within the scuttle, complete with filler cap); and I would argue that the rear hub cap is not the same as that on a De Dion BV. There is some variation in the SN's available in 1908-1910: sometimes the rear petrol tank is there, but more often not. So I still think SN is out. Having said that, I more convinced than ever that your De Dion is not LD 451. The bonnet cover is almost vertical at the scuttle, whereas the other slopes more. Second the scuttle has a narrower margin as it sits on the chassis, than LD 481. As I said earlier, LD 481 is said to be highly original. The more that small differences occur, the less likely it is that your De Dion is the same car.
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John Walsh
08 Februar 2020, 17:47
Very like my sizaire- naudin
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David GREEN
08 Februar 2020, 07:23
Ariejan Bos is correct about the car. There is a near identical picture of LD 481 at Pebble Beach, repainted in blue and white. Even the double-shaft adjustable driving mirror is the same. But I am not so certain that it is actually LD 481. This is said to be the most original surviving BV. But there are some notable differences between the two cars. The lamps have been changed; the rear mudguard is wider on LD 481; the rear is different (platform versus curve); and the upholstery has changed. If they are the same car, then it has has had a firm make-over. I agree with Jonathon Kinghorn about the Scottish, or possibly Northern Ireland, touch. I like the tartan bag with its handles hooked over the driving mirror.
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Patrick
07 Februar 2020, 15:46
Looking at the 5 spoke steering wheel and bonnet, not going straight down: De Dion Bouton type BV 1909 course. Seems the car still exists.
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keith kuehn
07 Februar 2020, 14:53
I agree with John, the car is a Sizaire-Naudin. (where is it now?) This car is not in the movie Genevieve, I just watched the movie. But the photo does agree with that time. Maybe a extra for it? That's my opinion. Maybe somebody drove it to the movie set in order to try to get it into the movie? Or just be a "hangers on"?
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Ariejan Bos
07 Februar 2020, 11:57
Sorry, 1909 ...
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Ariejan Bos
07 Februar 2020, 11:55
De Dion-Bouton 1910 type BV monocylindrique (type course). Probably this car is still in existence, carrying licence nr. LD 481 (see also the De Dion book by Michael Edwards).
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Jonathan Kinghorn
07 Februar 2020, 11:39
A Scottish beauty queen? She's wearing a tartan sash and cap and a large brooch with a thistle emblem. Photographed c.1950?
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nick Simpson
07 Februar 2020, 10:16
That's a Ford E83W van -probably postwar behind so it looks like an early 1950's English location - could the veteran be the Spyker from the film Genevieve?
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John HUghes
07 Februar 2020, 06:21
Sizaire-Naudin
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