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What you won't find at Pebble beach (update: 1907 Lorraine Dietrich by Schutter & van Bakel)



UPDATE: thanks to the help of various friends it didn't take too long to ID the automobile. To your editor personally the namegiving of this intricate 'mpv' was the most intersting issue. Knowing that not many of you master the Dutch langusage we wil try to explain the text as published by the newspaper Algemeen Handelsblad with an article about "the Coachwork of the Car" , 6 february 1925:
"A Conduite-Interieur on the basis fo a Lorraine-Dietrich of 1907. Front piece is an old Dorsay shape, rear portion a Landaulet-Limousine. Room for six persons. The rear seat is, in combinations with the strapontins, transformable in two sleepings beds or - better said- sofas. The (spare) tires are carried  in the case on the frontal roof section. On the rear end is room for two suitcases."

One problem still persists: the car depicted above has ten spoke front wheels, in the other picture it has twelve !?! Were the wheels exchanged after a recall by Lorraine Diettich, or by van Schutter & Bakel? 

earlier:
Today is decision time at the 2015 Pebble Beach Concours d'Elegance. The judges at world's foremost important concours have the nearly impossible task to choose the very best from the very best while at the same time trying to stay far away from the political cobwebs created by collector car bobos and sponsors. A super tough job which is more like tightrope walking.
We thought the car pictured at a pre WWI concours would be nice to show. Especially as despite the flocks of multi million dollar cars at Pebbles neither jury or crowds will not get to see anything even close to this. 

Hugo Modderman who sent the picture adds: "This car was owned by Eddy Stratenus and all ladies are my aunties. The car is chain-driven. But what is the marque?"

editor: maybe even more interesting than the make of car is the 'double-bubble' open-driver twin landaulet limousine coachwork, this probably being a totally inappropriate description, yet as you know, we love to learn.  



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Samstag August 15th, 2015
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18 August 2015, 10:12
Actually the Wheels in the above picture are
Front 10 spoke and
Rear 12 spoke, but in Robbies photo-find both sets of wheels are 12 spoke.
But otherwise the vehicles looks identical,
Stuart

editor: a sharp eye !
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Unbekannt
18 August 2015, 01:52
1907 Lorraine-Dietrich with body by Schutter & van Bakel, Amsterdam
http://www.conam.info/carrosseriebouwers-beschrijvingen/schutter-van-bakel-amsterdam
(Source: Algemeen Handelsblad of February 6, 1925 in an article "The Car Body")
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Unbekannt
17 August 2015, 20:27
By the way, the sign on the front door is probably the emblem of the NAC, the dutch automobile club.
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Unbekannt
17 August 2015, 20:23
Although almost all details are hidden in some way, and the resolution of the picture is very low, there are still some clues which lead to a 1907 Lorraine-Dietrich: indeed the 10 spoke front and 12 spoke rear wheels, a large car with chain drive, the high bonnet top hinge (ruling out a Panhard & Levassor!) and the type of body, characteristic for the larger chain driven French makes. Another clue could be the fact that the photo seems to have been made in The Netherlands, maybe the province of Gelderland: near Arnhem, the capital of that province, the concessionaire for L.-D. had his residence!
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Hugo
17 August 2015, 12:15
I have been thinking of a Panhard et Levassor especially if the body would be by Labourdette. However Star was also imported into the Netherlands.Mr.Stratenus would have had this picture taken either in Gelderland or in Utrecht.
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17 August 2015, 10:39
Actually I'm going to correct myself. The front wheels do have 10 spokes but on clser view the rear have 12. It makes me suspect we're looking at a Panhard et Levassor.

Do we know where Eddy was based? It might help give a clue.

editor: we think Eddy was living in The Netherlands
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Unbekannt
17 August 2015, 09:33
Although we can't see much of the car unfortunately, 10 spoke wheels and chain drive are both slightly unusual. Just a thought but one marque that combined these two features was Star.
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16 August 2015, 20:48
Hello.
I would very much like to own the "Mystery Flower Car". Looks like a nice family vehicle for "weekend" outings.
My shot in the dark is that it is the definitive model "TALBOT". Good luck trying to verify.
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16 August 2015, 08:09
Labourdette carrosserie +/- 1906/1907 ??
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