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A Riley engine Mystery?

Greg Dobson writes: "I wondered if some of your readers might help me identify or throw some light on the history of this unusual engine?Whilst on a visit to Beaulieu auto-jumble with a list of parts to buy for my jigsaw of a Riley 9 special I got talking to some gents on the Riley club who told me about the unusual engine. It started of I believe as a standard nine engine but at some point in its history it has been heavily modified to incorporate two coils & two distributors amongst other things. The modifications have been carried out to a high standard. I have shown some of the wizards at the Scottish Riley owners club who have put a few suggestions forward but nothing concrete. All I know of the history is that it passed through the hands of the well known collector Barry Peerless who apparently rescued it from a scrapyard. I have held off from taking it apart until I know more about this special engine. Any ideas?"

 

Originally published on October 12, 2015

 

 

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Mittwoch Mai 10th, 2023
julian messent - Historic Competition Services, Belgium
10 Mai 2023, 09:26
Many years ago in the very early 90s I was working with Barrie Gillies in Reading, Barry as most Riley people will know had probably the World's largest collection of Riley parts and a massive knowledge of Rileys.
While organizing the second hand parts stores that Barry had I came across a very similar engine but a 6, and there were two of them. Partly dismantled and talking to Barry about these he informed me that he had bought them from the late John Treen, A profound and very famous Riley special builder, Apparently these two engines were built by him as a development project and the idea was once tested as seperate 6 cylinder engines, was to bolt them both together on the sump flange and make some form of flat 12. (I think this would have been rather cumbersome but at that stage the 12 was only an idea) Barry had picked up all of John's spares when he closed his business.
I think by the looks and similarity of this 12/4 that it is the work of John Treen, unfortunately I have no pics of the 6 cyl engines but I have a very good technical memory and the similarities are large.
Fun project, good luck.
Julian
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Steve Hughes
12 Oktober 2015, 16:59
too much original left in the job for anything to do with Bugatti owners these days.
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Unbekannt
12 Oktober 2015, 14:04
I think this engine has been converted to overhead camshaft from the original high cam with push rods, although it seems a lot of unnecessary work just to achieve this. I wonder perhaps if rotary valves were being tried. I hope you give us some photos when dismantled.
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Unbekannt
12 Oktober 2015, 12:24
It does have 2 distributors but they each have only 2 plug wires. Must have been motorcycle units.
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Unbekannt
12 Oktober 2015, 08:56
I remember Barry Peerless showing me that engine. As we understood it, the Riley Nine valvegear was quite capable of running to any speed required of it, hence we agreed was a rather pointless exercise.
As the photos show, it is a twin overhead camshaft conversion and although it does have two distributors, the standard Riley Nine cylinder head that's beneath it all only has one plug per cylinder.
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Unbekannt
12 Oktober 2015, 08:20
wonderful piece of kit.Just my sort of thing.I bet a Bugatti owner made this.
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