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Ein Alfa Romeo- und Zagato-Mysterium
Heute wurde die Suche nach einem Fahrzeug wieder aufgenommen, das wir erstmals 2012 identifiziert haben: ein Alfa Romeo 8C. Kürzlich erhielten wir eine E-Mail von einem Berater von Zagato, Italien, mit neuen Informationen zu dem Fahrzeug sowie der Bitte um unsere Unterstützung bei der weiteren Recherche.
Beigefügt ist ein Bild eines Alfa 8C Monza mit der Fahrgestellnummer 2111038. Das Fahrzeug wurde ’37 gebaut und mit einer Zagato-Karosserie versehen. Es nahm an der Mille Miglia mit der Startnummer 145 teil. Anschließend erhielt es eine faszinierende neue aerodynamische Karosserie und wurde auf dem Stand von Zagato oder Alfa Romeo auf dem Mailänder Autosalon (April ’37) ausgestellt. Kurz darauf wurde es erneut in einen „standardmäßigen“ 8C 2300 Monza umgebaut. 1938 nahm es erneut an der Mille Miglia teil, diesmal mit der Startnummer 150. Ab diesem Zeitpunkt ist die weitere Geschichte unklar.
Wir versuchen festzustellen, ob das Fahrzeug auf diesem Bild, das wir zuvor veröffentlicht haben (und das offenbar eine Zagato-Karosserie zeigt), tatsächlich s/n 2111038 ist oder ob es sich um ein anderes Fahrzeug handelt.
Dieses „sollte“ ein Alfa Romeo 8C 2300 mit der Fahrgestellnummer 2111027 sein. Ursprünglich war es ein 8C Spider Corto, der 1932 bei den 24 Stunden von Spa antrat. Später wurde es in ein aerodynamisches Coupé und anschließend in einen aerodynamischen Roadster umgebaut.
Die Frage ist: Handelt es sich bei dem Fahrzeug auf diesem Bild um „2111038“ oder beziehen wir uns tatsächlich auf ein anderes Fahrzeug? Liebe Alfa Romeo- und Zagato-Experten, kann uns jemand weiterhelfen?
Das Milaneser Schaltjahr-Mysterium, das wir 2012 veröffentlicht haben, ist hier zu finden.
Ursprünglich veröffentlicht am 22. September 2020
Publiziert:
Mittwoch März 25th, 2026
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Jack Braam Ruben
26 März, 10:31
It would be nice to get more information. I have owned # 027 for 25 years now. Provenance will remain the key word in our hobby.
One picture shows the car that won the 1932 Spa 24 hours (# 053) rebodied as a Coupe by Touring. # 027 arrived in 2nd place and was rebodied as a Coupe as well but by Zagato. Quitte a coincidence, the cars are standing side to side. Both were rebodied to their original specs. Fortunately the great Touring body is still alive. The Zagato Coupe body was lost and received yet another (3rd) body apparently again by Zagato. I see too many differences. You would think these are two different bodies. Would love to see the 2.9 with the 3rd Zagato version of the body of #027 and to hear if some of the original panels would still be available. JBR
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One picture shows the car that won the 1932 Spa 24 hours (# 053) rebodied as a Coupe by Touring. # 027 arrived in 2nd place and was rebodied as a Coupe as well but by Zagato. Quitte a coincidence, the cars are standing side to side. Both were rebodied to their original specs. Fortunately the great Touring body is still alive. The Zagato Coupe body was lost and received yet another (3rd) body apparently again by Zagato. I see too many differences. You would think these are two different bodies. Would love to see the 2.9 with the 3rd Zagato version of the body of #027 and to hear if some of the original panels would still be available. JBR
Mike Thomas
22 September 2020, 15:36
Whilst on the subject of missing Alfa Romeo 8c's, in August 1956 an almost identical vehicle to that illustrated but with a beautiful carvel tulip wood body and two dicky seats was available for the princely sum of £800 at a garage in Bromley, Kent. Having myself just acquired a 1930 Aston Martin International for £410 unfortunately I was spent out. I've often wandered what happened to it and scanned historic automobile records without success -
hopefully it survives. Does anyone know ?
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hopefully it survives. Does anyone know ?
Mrs. Mary Frances Humphris
05 März 2024, 16:20
My father Mr. Jack Hayward purchased the Alfa Romeo 8C 2300 with registration EYL 137, chassis 2111027, (as shown in the photo) in the 1950s for £495. I have a picture of the advertisement. He then spent many years restoring it to its original body, however, sadly he passed away in 2001 and the car was sold at auction. It is now located in Europe and has been fully restored. Again I have pictures of what it looks like now.
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Benjamin Ord
25 März, 00:03
I am Jack Haywards grandson, son of Mary who's comment I am replying to, our family genuinely had this car in our possession (well because of the long-term dedication of my grandad) who finally proved that this car was the long lost alfa romeo... hard to believe I know... I couldn't believe it either but... ???? but if you want to know more, let me know.
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Stew Baylis
19 September 2020, 10:50
EYL137 This number still attached to 1938 Red 3013cc Alfa according to DVLA . Records last updated 2009 So still around.
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Yannai Tobi
17 September 2020, 22:16
It seems to me that these are two different bodies. The wings on the Zagato car 2111038 have a 'ridge' or a pointed section at the highest point (best seen in the front image), both front and rear wings. The other car, 2111027 seem to have wings which are completely round.
The doors on the Zagato car are considerably smaller than on the other car.
An interesting coincidence which draw my attention to this issue - it so happens that I have some of the original panels from car number 211107, that were not used when the body was fitted on the 8C2900 car 412011. See photo of the nice and unique louvered sill cover with the oil tank neck.
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The doors on the Zagato car are considerably smaller than on the other car.
An interesting coincidence which draw my attention to this issue - it so happens that I have some of the original panels from car number 211107, that were not used when the body was fitted on the 8C2900 car 412011. See photo of the nice and unique louvered sill cover with the oil tank neck.
Chanh Le Huy
15 September 2020, 19:57
Hello all, Maybe an element of response is that the body in 2111038 at the 1937 Milano Salone and 2111027 after that show is the same. That body is now with 8C 2900 A 412011. A side to side photo comparison between 2111038 (left) and 2111027 IMO gives a good hint.
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