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Early Scottish Automobile Club Badge

Letter to the editor

 

Hi,

I think I may have stumbled across the original Scottish Automobile Club badge.

The first Scottish Automobile Club badge that was issued to a member was donated to the RSAC by the late George Paisley's family in 1958 and is now held by the National Museums of Scotland. Another early badge is fitted to the 1905 15hp Rolls-Royce registered SD661. There may be others...

However, this badge is smaller at 103 x 80mm than the badges issued to members which measure 112 x 88mm.

I don't think this badge was fitted to a car as there don't appear to be any registration marks in the countersunk holes and the work is fairly crude as if it was made as a concept for approval before a pattern maker produced a finished work for production.

Maybe it was commissioned from a sketch or even made by a founder member?

Charles Rennie Macintosh anyone?

 

Best wishes,

Richard Smith

 

Originally published: Tuesday February 16th, 2021

 

Publiziert:
Mittwoch Januar 4th, 2023
Ian McGregor
04 Januar 2023, 11:27
Hi,
I am new to prewarcar.com. I came across your site after I googled Scottish Automobile Club.
I have a badge from the club and can't find any information on it, I was wondering if any of your members could help identify it.
As you can see from the pictures it has a number 200 on the back and it would be great to find out if possible if there were records kept
and who the original owner was. This is from a collection of badges that I have owned for over 50 years.
Any information would be greatly appreciated.
Regards, Ian
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David Grimstead
05 Januar 2023, 13:37
This badge was presumably legitimately worn by someone who successfully passed a Scottish Automobile Club (S.A.C.) certificated driving course examination – Edinburgh was home to its School of Motoring and it offered courses and exams at five Scottish venues in 1907 and 1908, more after that. They operated this training scheme until at least WWI, during which the S.A.C. motif became “Royal”. No indication that the certificate came automatically with a badge.

The S.A.C. had long demanded that no one should be allowed to drive without having obtained a certificate of competence – deaths due to motors had near doubled every year from 1900 in Scotland to reach 123 killed in 1907, with 5362 injured.

Hence, the S.A.C., together with the R.A.C., began issuing nationally recognised but non-mandatory certificates of driving competence from at least 1905 – paid motorists, like motor-cab drivers, were early certificate holders. The total driving certificates issued across the whole UK, including Edinburgh, Glasgow and Dundee in the year to March 1906 was 59, with another 20 driving certificates at 1907 Scottish examinations, presumably some in 1908, another 22 there in August 1909 and another 51 were issued in April 1910. Some 1062 were issued across Britain in 1911, probably some S.A.C. in 1912 and definitely 18 in mid-1913, which perhaps adds up to a certificated driver qualifying for S.A.C. badge No. 200 by then.

The membership of the S.A.C. was in the low thousands but non-members could take the test; indeed, after 1910, had to if they wanted to drive abroad unhindered in accordance with the International Motor Car Act, which required driver and car certification. The S.A.C. was the authorised issuing body for both in Scotland.

Apologies to French readers but, in 1910, it was said that this driver proficiency certification was introduced to replace the only obvious qualifications displayed by paid chauffeurs: “a leather coat, a French accent and garlic breath.”
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Ian McGregor
05 Januar 2023, 18:52
Hi David
Thanks for your reply, great information on the badge and what it would have been awarded for.
I was finding it hard to get information on the S.A.C.
It would be interesting to know who driver 200 was, but it will probably remain a mystery.
Regards, Ian.
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PAUL HOSKINS
27 November 2021, 17:07
Hello there,

New to PreWarCar.com but have a special interest in SAC and RSAC signs and badges. I saw this badge on ebay and felt that it was probably a repro and not of the quality one would expect from the period, it looks as if a master has been used to press a mould and this invariably results in a lack of crispness. Ive never seen one of these before but decided to give it a miss at the asking price.

I do have a couple of SAC roadsign or fingerpost headers however but dont know much about them apart from being pre-1917 when the ROYAL was bestowed. The pierced one came direct from a Council in Scotland and is exactly as acquired although I suspect that it has been repainted a long time ago, the solid one is sadly repainted prior to purchase on ebay. The pierced one is very slightly larger and I think both would have been quite hard to cast, how is it done? A double side mould??

Any comments or history would be much appreciated.

Regards, Paul.
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Richard Smith
05 Dezember 2021, 22:39
If it is a fake it will presumably be identical to the fake badges McCann claims to own but has regrettably decided not to let us see.
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Richard Smith
02 Dezember 2021, 08:29
Hi Paul,

Nice to see your two signs. They are, however, quite different in detail. Check the layout of the words for example. I don't think it's an impression from an later badge.

The suggestion made to me by club officials in London and Scotland is that it might have been an early private work by a member which took the clubs' interest and was developed into the official club badge.

Regards,
Richard
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Richard Smith
18 Februar 2021, 19:30
Thanks to all participants and many thanks especially to Peter Grimstead who seems to have a good knowledge of SAC history. It’s pretty clear nobody here has any concrete information on the provenance of this particular badge. It would have been helpful from a historical perspective to have seen some photos of McCann’s fake badges but it would appear that is not possible. So, I will continue my research elsewhere. In the meantime, if anyone else has any relevant information please send me an email via the editor and ask him kindly to forward the message on to me.
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David Grimstead
18 Februar 2021, 19:22
Knowledge, Richard? Only as substantial as a few hours of research.

It seems that the SAC letterhead logo was quite different up to 1907, depicting the lion from the 1837 Scottish Coat of Arms. Presumably, it was too complicated to incorporate in a robust car badge; hence, perhaps, the basic oval and cross design of 1907. As the car badge design changed to the RAC format in May 1908, it is no wonder originals are hard to find, as the total SAC membership by April 1908 was just 1048.

Search on Graces Guide site for examples of logos/badges of the SAC before 1907, after 1907 and after 1917.

Some better quality medals and jewellery seem to have been made based on the 1907 design but perhaps at the other end of quality, the club did run a scheme in 1909 whereby commercial drivers placed first to third in heavy goods vehicle trials were given a souvenir badge – perhaps one to screw to a dashboard?
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Richard Smith
18 Februar 2021, 14:15
Thank you. I was hoping someone with substantial knowledge would come forward.

Do you by any chance have a good quality photo of an issued badge that you could post?

The badge, which is in front of me, has a high zinc content typical of the era which looks quite yellow where it has not oxidised to a mid-brown colour. This looks identical to the patina on original catches fitted to our car. So it would appear to be from the correct period. It weighs about 6 ozs.

The finish is sufficiently primitive to suggest that it was not the finished article whatever its' intended use. It looks like the pattern was carved out of a block of Plaster of Paris. It's surface is uneven and scribe marks from the pattern are visible. On close inspection there do appear to be some registration marks in the countersinks.

I have searched the internet looking for photos of a similar badge but have drawn a blank. If anyone has a facsimile of this badge I would like to compare photos, please.
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David Grimstead
18 Februar 2021, 13:17
The Scottish Automobile Club was founded in December 1899 but its advertised membership prospectus did not include supply of a car-mountable badge. Reportedly, it was not until March 1907 that members requested one and the club’s plan to issue them appeared in its annual report a month later. The committee had a badge “of brass and white metal” ready to be issued to all members in May, which maybe confirms that this example is not an official club-issued “car” badge.

It has the same logo format, a St. Andrew’s cross in a S.A.C. name-bearing oval, depicted on the club handbook and letterhead from at least 1907. The motto: “Gang warily” usually appeared below it. This basic letterhead format continued after it was renamed “Royal” in 1917.

In 1908, a revised club badge was adopted, which combined the Royal Automobile Club Associate badge rim around the St. Andrew’s cross logo. The supplier was Elkington & Company Limited, Regent St, London. At this, Scottish patriots grumbled about independence and “subordination to the Piccadilly Hoity-Toity” and only the Royal patronage of the badge placated them. However, the club did install posts bearing the club badge and a “Scotland” sign on all main roads from England, in April 1908...

Perhaps this badge was a sign displayed at the reception desk of S.A.C. approved hotels. Whatever, reading Stephen McCann's comment, “Gang warily” if buying one.
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Glen Robb
17 Februar 2021, 23:35
Certainely not C R Macintosh.
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Richard Smith
06 Januar 2023, 10:23
As I recall CRM was a founding member of the SAC so it wouldn't surprise me at all if he submitted a proposal for the club badge.
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Richard Smith
17 Februar 2021, 15:22
Do you mean badges in general or SAC badges specifically?
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STEPHEN MCCANN
18 Februar 2021, 08:53
I do mean the SAC badge - I've got two, both fakes.
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Richard Smith
06 Januar 2023, 10:25
So how about posting photos of them for comparative purposes?
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Richard Smith
18 Februar 2021, 11:54
How about you post photos of your SAC badges so we can compare them? That would be interesting.
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STEPHEN MCCANN
18 Februar 2021, 15:18
Hi I've measured each badge- both measure 102mm x80mm.
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Richard Smith
18 Februar 2021, 16:15
It would be helpful if you could post photos of the badges, please. You could email them to me if you don't want to publish them..
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Stephen McCann
17 Februar 2021, 10:30
Very interesting item but beware. There are lots of these out there, most are fakes.

Stephen McCann (UK)
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