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Changing the route: Bergsma is history (April 1 UPDATE by Editor JB)
After almost 15 years the end has come for editor-in-chief Joris Bergsma. Yesterday evening, at just after 23.00 GMT, the Pre-war Post-war Publishing team came to an agreement to end their relationship in good order.
Within the last few months an untenable situation developed as the opinions expressed by Bergsma increasingly emphasized on the profile and image of PreWarCar and PostWarClassic. This saw the PWC head offices in Amsterdam divided into two camps. Bergsma's increasing interest for unrestored cars, saloons and 'bread and butter' vehicles were considered as counteractions to the business opportunities for PreWarCar and PostWarClassic.
The appointment of a new chief-editor is expected later this week. One thing is sure, though: the future will be bright. The emphasis will slowly but surely be directed towards the top end of the classic car scene, with more concours reports from throughout the world and an increase in high-end restoration work.
It's been a very tough decision and the team, which from now on will be running both PreWar Car as PostWarClassics websites without Bergsma, want to thank Joris for the fantastic work he did for both websites. Joris has made an invaluable contribution to the pre-war car scene and due to his efforts thousands of cars have come into the hands of new owners, a large number of who have been made enthusiastic through his webpages. We wish him all the best for the future.
For all editorial issues you can contact [email protected]. Or contact UK correspondent Robin Batchelor. USA correspondent Kit Foster. Spain correspondent Francisco Carrión. Or Amsterdam editor Jeroen Booij.
UPDATE , April 1, 2015 15.03 : Thank You all so much for your touching and heartwarming responses! For the more than hundred comments. For the dozen of phonecalls from various countries. Plus some 30 personal emails this morning. The friendliest push in the back we received since the SAH E.P. Ingersoll award we received in 2003..! Sorry if we tackled some of you with our 'news' a bit hard with this year's April 1 feature. Look at it this way, we try to serve you well 365 days a year and one of those days is just for our own pleasure. This time with the pleasant side effect - like one of you wrote - that it gives very good support for our scruffy strategy approach. So let's pick up where left of. Tomorrow is April 2.
Thank you for your support!
Joris Bergsma, founding editor
(special thanks to Jeroen Booij and Robin Batchelor who advised on strategy & text. Photos by PreWarCar photographer Pjotter Bergsma, age 15 )
Publiziert:
Dienstag März 31st, 2015
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02 April 2015, 04:11
Unbekannt
02 April 2015, 03:42
Glad to know its an April 1 joke, problem is that when I read it the date was March 31 in NY. I couldn't figure it out, and especially didn't like the heartless attitude of the announcement. I like old rusty relics and plain old sedans, and heart stopping Figoni bodied cars too! Joris has always been attentive and helpful to me, so glad this was only a bad joke!
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Unbekannt
02 April 2015, 01:01
It was 04.30 in the East Coast USA when my reply went out, no sleep for me, it's the curse of the middle aged. Mia Culpa - you got me. Glad to see you back!
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Unbekannt
01 April 2015, 23:50
Touche!
But, as I wasn't paying attention to the calendar, you very nearly ruined my day. I love the "scruffy" approach.
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But, as I wasn't paying attention to the calendar, you very nearly ruined my day. I love the "scruffy" approach.
Unbekannt
01 April 2015, 19:41
Good things should never change. Joris should never quit.! Thanks God I know about April Fool, due to my french family, as down here in Argentina, that date is the 28th December.!
Keep up dear Joris.!!!!
(Once upon a time in Argentina)
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Keep up dear Joris.!!!!
(Once upon a time in Argentina)
Unbekannt
01 April 2015, 18:17
Thumbs up! This is by far the best April fools joke I have seen in ages and an invaluable source of feedback/confirmation that prewar car is still on the right track. Cheers!
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Unbekannt
01 April 2015, 17:17
What's wrong with people? Every spring there is bad news that pisses me off, especially in the beginning of April. Swedish banks just advised that they will charge you an entrance fee if you visit the bank personally! And now this chocking piece of news!
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Unbekannt
01 April 2015, 16:55
Joris,
If you publish a picture of yourself next to a modern car, then we all know there is a problem. Good to know it is only the April 1 "problem".
Next time a picture of yourself in better company !
Bart
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If you publish a picture of yourself next to a modern car, then we all know there is a problem. Good to know it is only the April 1 "problem".
Next time a picture of yourself in better company !
Bart
william hearne
01 April 2015, 16:55
It would appear that some folks have very short memories. Come on chaps [and chapesses] it is not the first April fools joke we have experienced on this site.
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Unbekannt
01 April 2015, 15:28
I thought that April Fools Day was reserved for the politicians?
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Unbekannt
01 April 2015, 14:48
I hope this is an April Fools joke! Everyone loves Joris and he can never leave!!!
Carla
Hyman Ltd.
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Carla
Hyman Ltd.
Unbekannt
01 April 2015, 14:48
You were busy 15 years ago producing both a photographer and this wonderful web Magazine!
Can't wait for 01-04-2016!
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Can't wait for 01-04-2016!
Unbekannt
01 April 2015, 13:29
Dear Joris
What is actually happening.
I have for many years been in contact with you on PVC and have always been so well treated.
Hope you find a new way to start a site I'm sure that you will get many who follows you.
I think that PVC has had a nice mix of the right kind of vehicle so I can not understand why it turned out like this.
Hope you can advise your email address so that we can keep in touch about our Talbots.
Stig Fransson
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What is actually happening.
I have for many years been in contact with you on PVC and have always been so well treated.
Hope you find a new way to start a site I'm sure that you will get many who follows you.
I think that PVC has had a nice mix of the right kind of vehicle so I can not understand why it turned out like this.
Hope you can advise your email address so that we can keep in touch about our Talbots.
Stig Fransson
Unbekannt
01 April 2015, 13:01
Not a good decision likely to turn off the majority of ordinary enthusiasts. Perhaps a survey of users should have been carried out.
If in future all we get is millionaire over restored cars most will stop visiting and will look for a new site which actually represents our interests.
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If in future all we get is millionaire over restored cars most will stop visiting and will look for a new site which actually represents our interests.
Unbekannt
01 April 2015, 12:52
what date is it today ?
of course: April 1th
see you soon Joris ( Techno Classica )
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of course: April 1th
see you soon Joris ( Techno Classica )
Unbekannt
01 April 2015, 12:43
Oh for goodness sake!!!
Who would have thought vintage car enthusiasts lacked so much grey matter between the ears!!!
Everyone knows Joris is to Prewarcar. what the Pope is to Catholicism.
But I fear very few have remembered that today is April the 1st!
April Fools the lot of you!
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Who would have thought vintage car enthusiasts lacked so much grey matter between the ears!!!
Everyone knows Joris is to Prewarcar. what the Pope is to Catholicism.
But I fear very few have remembered that today is April the 1st!
April Fools the lot of you!
Unbekannt
01 April 2015, 12:28
I presume the date that this appeared is the relevant matter!
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01 April 2015, 12:17
April fools? Lets hope so still loads to be done.
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01 April 2015, 12:14
The thought comes to mind that this is April 1st, that used have used this occasion previously to surprise us, and that you have a weird Dutch sense of humour. Let's hope this is the real truth.
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01 April 2015, 12:13
I have written here earlier in the morning, but only over lunch, when I had some peace of mind, I realized the April's fool of today! Brilliant marketing strategy to use that to detect if (or have confirmed that) your opinion is followed by the vast majority of your readers. As I wrote earlier on: "a great mind" !!!
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01 April 2015, 12:02
I´m glad to see some clean and polished cars on this site in the future! There was so much scrap here shown titled as "barnfind" or "with a little patina"... Just kidding! I hope you also did and only made an april fool!
All the best!
Hubertus
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All the best!
Hubertus
Unbekannt
01 April 2015, 12:00
This is an April Fool's Day joke - don't panic everyone!!!
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01 April 2015, 11:58
This is GOOD NEWS! Good riddance Joris !
April FOOLS !
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April FOOLS !
Unbekannt
01 April 2015, 11:54
Bergsma is History !
Of course he is !
And this is His Story !
Starting up this great site 15 years ago.
Great people deserve to be History.
I noticed the subtle change of image,for the two sites, for Joris, Colour Postwar car image and Black and white for Prewar car, that should have been a big enough clue for us !
YES ! the Mystery is solved !
April the first is past and gone, we were all caught out.
His story is all in the telling !
Long Live Joris !
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Of course he is !
And this is His Story !
Starting up this great site 15 years ago.
Great people deserve to be History.
I noticed the subtle change of image,for the two sites, for Joris, Colour Postwar car image and Black and white for Prewar car, that should have been a big enough clue for us !
YES ! the Mystery is solved !
April the first is past and gone, we were all caught out.
His story is all in the telling !
Long Live Joris !
Unbekannt
01 April 2015, 11:47
I regret this change a lot. It is not taking into consideration the charter of Turin. The support for the true enthusiast who keep the historic vehicles in operation is much more important than the support for the investors.
I hope Joris will soon open a new platform for enthusiasts and I will move there with pleasure.
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I hope Joris will soon open a new platform for enthusiasts and I will move there with pleasure.
Unbekannt
01 April 2015, 11:40
A cruel April Fools joke? For my own selfish reasons I certainly hope so!
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Unbekannt
01 April 2015, 11:40
So I guess this means that we will be overwhelmed with articles about cars only the wealthy can afford. Bring on the Ferrari's, NOT!
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01 April 2015, 11:34
I very much regret this change. I consider the support for the enthusiast much more important than the support for the investor.
I hope Joris will continue his culture on a new portal and I will follow him with pleasure.
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I hope Joris will continue his culture on a new portal and I will follow him with pleasure.
Unbekannt
01 April 2015, 11:26
I presume that this was an April Fool's joke ?
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01 April 2015, 11:24
I think that we had work with Joris since nearly the begining of Prewarcar.com
10 years ago Joris decided that my wedding (the car of course...) should be history of the day. I could Not believe Today's history, what a mistake.
Joris , See you soon.
Rafael Pueche
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10 years ago Joris decided that my wedding (the car of course...) should be history of the day. I could Not believe Today's history, what a mistake.
Joris , See you soon.
Rafael Pueche
Unbekannt
01 April 2015, 11:22
Obviously a decision based upon commercial motives only. Any chance that Mr Bergsma might start an oldfashioned version of pwc? This one seems lost for most of us.
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Unbekannt
01 April 2015, 11:07
The ALMIGHTY DOLLAR wins again!!!
Joris where ever you go we will follow!!
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Joris where ever you go we will follow!!
Unbekannt
01 April 2015, 11:06
Very, very sad news indeed. My recent encounters with the so-called high end of the classic car scene have been highly disappointing. Yes it is where the money is, but is that what it is about? We will have to wait & see and not criticise before we have seen how the changes pan out, but as a user rather than a polisher I'm not too hopeful
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Unbekannt
01 April 2015, 11:00
Am I the only one to think this might be date-related?
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Unbekannt
01 April 2015, 10:47
Great first of April joke.
Greetings:
:-) Christian
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Greetings:
:-) Christian
Unbekannt
01 April 2015, 10:45
This is a very appropriate article given this very special day of April 1st... just like the book about Bugatti truth if I remember well. Very Prewarcar and very Dutch I may say ...:)
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01 April 2015, 10:43
Hello Joris,
sad news for the fish I guess!
"Bigger is the fish, better is the joke" (old Voisin proverb)
Thierry
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sad news for the fish I guess!
"Bigger is the fish, better is the joke" (old Voisin proverb)
Thierry
Unbekannt
01 April 2015, 10:41
I very much hope this is an attempt of April fools humour ? If so: it has NOT succeeded ! This is not something to joke about, not even op April 1st.
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01 April 2015, 10:40
Your presence has been felt in PWC for 15 years and now it will be missed. When one door closes another opens. When you find that door you will have a lot of supporters ready to follow you through.
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Unbekannt
01 April 2015, 10:39
Joris will get a spcial number plate for his car APR 1 L fool!
Best wishes, Raymond
Now what about that prewarcar T shirt.....!
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Best wishes, Raymond
Now what about that prewarcar T shirt.....!
Unbekannt
01 April 2015, 10:32
Halloo! Nice April fools joke hey? T-shirt please! Regards
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01 April 2015, 10:31
the new editor should be an exact replica or at least a real look-alike of the Original ...at least today
PS: Joris, reading the comments I think you are the right man in the right place or are you the right fish in the right pool???
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PS: Joris, reading the comments I think you are the right man in the right place or are you the right fish in the right pool???
Unbekannt
01 April 2015, 10:28
Well, good riddance I say. It's about time these Shenanigans came to an end. Day to day prewars, phah! We want to read about the unobtainable, the unaffordable, the priceless racers, and nothing less!
And on that note I surely expect to see Joris back in the office on april 2nd...
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And on that note I surely expect to see Joris back in the office on april 2nd...
Harry Pyle
01 April 2015, 10:26
Joris, What a very bad decision by whomever. You have been so very supportive over all the years that I have been an active member...with only Austin Seven supercharged sports car, only an MG TC, only a supercharged MG TA special, only a 1924 4.5 liter Flint tourer, only a 1928 Riley Brooklands special, only a 1913 Austin 10/12, and more recently only a 1907 German 3 wheel Cyklonette. You will be missed my friend. Please keep in touch..you have ALWAYS had my support and loyalty.
Kindest regards
Harry Pyle in Western Australia.
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Kindest regards
Harry Pyle in Western Australia.
Unbekannt
01 April 2015, 10:18
The news-title "Bergsma is history" is unprofessional, unnecessary and offensive - whoever okayed this press release owes Joris and his followers an apology.
I have no problems with the term "bread and butter cars" - since it describes honest, everyday cars designed and used by people who have to watch their money and cherish their cars for what they are and not just as an investment.
As others have pointed out there are plenty of over-hyped sites tooting overpriced cars - where you can see the same dealers adverts umpteen times over. It appears I'm not the only one who regrets the Pre-war / Post-war teams decision to go "Up market". But if that's they want to go - so be it!
Dear Joris, I always found the eclectic mix of adverts and you and your team's well-written and amusing posts an entertaining way to cultivate my passion and learn more about prewar cars. As the other posts confirm, Pre-war driver-owners owe you a lot and most will continue to support your efforts re originality, preservation and having fun with like-minded fans. Take the time you need to consider your options and come back into the public space. I and many others will be waiting for your return.
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I have no problems with the term "bread and butter cars" - since it describes honest, everyday cars designed and used by people who have to watch their money and cherish their cars for what they are and not just as an investment.
As others have pointed out there are plenty of over-hyped sites tooting overpriced cars - where you can see the same dealers adverts umpteen times over. It appears I'm not the only one who regrets the Pre-war / Post-war teams decision to go "Up market". But if that's they want to go - so be it!
Dear Joris, I always found the eclectic mix of adverts and you and your team's well-written and amusing posts an entertaining way to cultivate my passion and learn more about prewar cars. As the other posts confirm, Pre-war driver-owners owe you a lot and most will continue to support your efforts re originality, preservation and having fun with like-minded fans. Take the time you need to consider your options and come back into the public space. I and many others will be waiting for your return.
Unbekannt
01 April 2015, 10:16
Joris,I am very sorry! For me you and prewarcars are one.Never thought this site would follow the common trend.Hope to meet you in "one of our places".
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Unbekannt
01 April 2015, 10:16
Hey! What date is it today?
April fool!!
See you tomorrow, Joris!!
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April fool!!
See you tomorrow, Joris!!
Unbekannt
01 April 2015, 09:36
After this the first of April never will be the same again.
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01 April 2015, 09:34
Joris, its been a real pleasure doing business with you the last 5 years. I'm so sorry to read this news. You have worked so hard for this class leading business. So sorry this has happened, please get in touch/stay in touch.
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Unbekannt
01 April 2015, 09:31
As a lover of cars that are being used instead of polished I fear that having "high end investments" on the site will be just plain boring. And boring sites are not worth visiting any more. So lets hope that the new team will slowly but surely realize that yet another shinysite is not what makes prewarcar stand out.
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Unbekannt
01 April 2015, 09:29
I can only presume this is an April Fool Day announcement.
If this is true, then more full you.
I wish Joris all good fortune.
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If this is true, then more full you.
I wish Joris all good fortune.
Unbekannt
01 April 2015, 09:24
Is this not April Fools Day? I am guessing it is.. Then, to be clear, Joris may have run somewhat in the mud recently with Resto mod ex rock and roll trucks and fiberglass plastic fantastics. My guess is that he is simply in a nearby pub having a giggle right now.
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Unbekannt
01 April 2015, 09:21
Is it only in Norway that we try to fool each other on this date?
Especially in the media....
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Especially in the media....
Unbekannt
01 April 2015, 09:10
Joris, April the first! Well done and good luck. See you at Beaulieu as usual in September?
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01 April 2015, 09:06
Very, very sad news.
Dear Joris, I wish you all the best in future. We all old enthusiasts were thinking on you. Your originally comments made world nicely. It will be missing.You have done a magnificent service to our hobby.
Bussines is not all.
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Dear Joris, I wish you all the best in future. We all old enthusiasts were thinking on you. Your originally comments made world nicely. It will be missing.You have done a magnificent service to our hobby.
Bussines is not all.
Unbekannt
01 April 2015, 08:59
I am confident that Joris will be back on April 2.....
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01 April 2015, 08:58
Joris, i will miss your hints and comments, at least for this day, i think, tomorrow when the 1. April is over, at least this part of the world is as it was until the first of April...
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Unbekannt
01 April 2015, 08:53
Good morning Joris,
That news will allow timeto go fishing....
see you soon
In french we will say that " nous n'avons pas mordu à l'hameçon"
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That news will allow timeto go fishing....
see you soon
In french we will say that " nous n'avons pas mordu à l'hameçon"
Unbekannt
01 April 2015, 08:51
Personally I am not waiting for more top-end and high-end reports. The power and the pleasure of PWC used to be the unexpected and original cars and their stories.
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01 April 2015, 08:48
Dear Joris, I was shocked to learn of your ousting this morning. Having initiated and worked so hard for an idea that you had, you were able to successfully support and boost the old car hobby on a daily basis for so many years. Your homepage was a true success. Never forget that!
We all wish you a better future. Start anew! We´ll be there!
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We all wish you a better future. Start anew! We´ll be there!
Unbekannt
01 April 2015, 08:40
So hello, 'Hello!'
I felt something wasn't right.
I'll miss you Joris.
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I felt something wasn't right.
I'll miss you Joris.
Unbekannt
01 April 2015, 08:29
I just hope the date of this announcement is significant...
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01 April 2015, 08:22
I was shocked when I opened 'prewarcar' today. The black and white picture of Joris with the words "Bergsma is history" jumped into my eye like an obituary. And that is what you probably wanted it to be. The conflict must have developed into hate. Why is it that all great people with the right mind always end up standing alone, not understood, and being pushed away by newcomers with commercial interests? Be assured Joris, you are not alone with your thoughts on the movement of veteran and vintage cars. Best of luck for the future directors of "prewarcar", they will need it. I owned top cars myself, but now enjoy driving lesser valued cars even more. They procure much more fun, and I feel less isolated from the others enjoying themselves.
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Unbekannt
01 April 2015, 08:20
You're taking the soul out of these sites. The current formula is unique; punditfacts mixed with a market where very expensive/exotic cars are advertised alongside the 'bread and butter' cars on a site that seems to have missed the last 10 odd years of website makeovers. You have a perfectly fine niche and you're alienating your audience by trying to move up market. There are plenty of other websites that do a good job at that and where the majority of your partners already have a presence that will be hard to match. In my opinion Joris was this site and this site is a reflection of his personality. By ousting him you will become just another destination when scavenging the market - not the first read of the day to have with your coffee... Sad!
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Unbekannt
01 April 2015, 08:20
What a blow---to be let go on April fool's day!!!!
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01 April 2015, 08:19
What a shame and as far as I'm concerned not a favourable dicision; the interest in unrestored and unmolested cars with a history of its own is rising worldwide. Don't give us these over-restored concours cars that do not tell the story anymore. They become soulless as will Prewarcar. Wrong decision! A big "Thank you" to Joris and I do hope you will continue to inspire us somehow, somewhere, sometime!
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01 April 2015, 08:17
"BERGSMA IS HISTORY" I very much doubt it. What a very rude, arrogant and unprofessional and unnecessary statement.
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01 April 2015, 08:09
Behind every successful venture there is always a leader, pushing & striving in what he or she believes, this decision to replace Joris is not going to do the old car world any favours, & I await the inevitable demise of Prewar.com, unless this is another of Joris April fool jokes. hope it is.
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Unbekannt
01 April 2015, 08:09
I believe a large portion of poisson d'avril et frites is in order for several people? Or aprilgrap, as you crazy Dutchies say!
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01 April 2015, 08:08
o no not another site for over the top restored uninteresting cars
reminds me of something a well known business women said some years ago why concentrate on 6 super models when there are millions of ordinary people in the world
i for one will not be here
Joris start another site for proper cars!!
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reminds me of something a well known business women said some years ago why concentrate on 6 super models when there are millions of ordinary people in the world
i for one will not be here
Joris start another site for proper cars!!
Unbekannt
01 April 2015, 07:58
Finally! I've been waiting for this day since he made that crazy suggestion to put a ban on fishtail exhausts! I entirely understand the team's decision, this is not some fishy case like with Jeremy Clarkson. Let's just hope some madman doesn't decide to launch a #BRINGBACKBERGSMA hashtag.
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Unbekannt
01 April 2015, 07:56
David, I agree completely with your reaction, I could'nt write a better tekst.
What a sad sad loss.
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What a sad sad loss.
Unbekannt
01 April 2015, 07:49
It is indeed a sad day as Joris' departure marks the end of an era. However, his editorial leaders have recently featured old cars that are now frankly just "old fashioned" and a thing of the past. Hopefully we may look forward under a new progressive editorship to more articles on reliable plastic lookalikes with modern efficient engines that are surely the future of the pre war car movement.
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Unbekannt
01 April 2015, 07:46
... migh this have something to do with today's date? ... can't fool me!!!
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01 April 2015, 07:45
Today is April fool's day...
Hahahaha... Well done guys !
Long life to unrestored saloon cars and to the PWC publishing team !
You're doing a great job... please continue !
Best regards !
PS : Did I win the most wanted PreWarCar T-shirt ???
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Hahahaha... Well done guys !
Long life to unrestored saloon cars and to the PWC publishing team !
You're doing a great job... please continue !
Best regards !
PS : Did I win the most wanted PreWarCar T-shirt ???
Unbekannt
01 April 2015, 07:43
I can hardly believe what I read this morning. Really I am lost for word. Joris, thank you for everything you have done for the old car movement and I wish you well for the future. As for the organisation that you have left I hope that it painfully perishes in to non existence.
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01 April 2015, 07:42
Good luck Joris...in all your endeavours. You will be missed, but I have a feeling it won't be for long!
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01 April 2015, 07:38
Sorry to hear that you have chosen the wrong path. Good bye.
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01 April 2015, 07:38
What a mistake to go to the top end market, concours and high end restorations !All web-sites and magazines allready do it !Except "The Automobile".
The strength of PWC is to be different from others.If you change your "policy" your business will go worse.
Unrestored automobiles and those for restoration will be the most sought after in the future !
Good luck to Joris, see you soon
Christoph Grohe
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The strength of PWC is to be different from others.If you change your "policy" your business will go worse.
Unrestored automobiles and those for restoration will be the most sought after in the future !
Good luck to Joris, see you soon
Christoph Grohe
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01 April 2015, 07:38
Yeah yeah it is the first of april again, but a nice try anyway Joris, I should say :-)
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01 April 2015, 07:33
Time for some new blood?
I hear Jeremy Clarkson is available
:)
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I hear Jeremy Clarkson is available
:)
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01 April 2015, 07:31
Sad indeed but it is the 1st April !!! ??? :-)
Ciao
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Ciao
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01 April 2015, 07:08
Happy April Fool's Day to you too....! Keep up the good work Joris.
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01 April 2015, 07:02
hi guys, could you please send me an email address for Joris. I need to contact him about a private matter.
regards brendan
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regards brendan
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01 April 2015, 06:49
I trust that this article has content due to the date rather than fact.
Rememer there are ore of "us" than of "them" with ordinary "oily rag" unrestored cars than those in better financial situations with pristine exotica vehicles who might well not get them muddy at all and if they do surely their man will wash it off.
If this is the truth and not an April Fools joke may I express my gratitude to Joris for running what to me has been a most interesting and informative insite into both the Pre and Pos-War world of motoring, when I look at the site I can easily get lost in what my wife refers to as "Car Porn". Best of luck Joris if this is not a joke which I sincerely hope it is!
Happy Motoring.
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Rememer there are ore of "us" than of "them" with ordinary "oily rag" unrestored cars than those in better financial situations with pristine exotica vehicles who might well not get them muddy at all and if they do surely their man will wash it off.
If this is the truth and not an April Fools joke may I express my gratitude to Joris for running what to me has been a most interesting and informative insite into both the Pre and Pos-War world of motoring, when I look at the site I can easily get lost in what my wife refers to as "Car Porn". Best of luck Joris if this is not a joke which I sincerely hope it is!
Happy Motoring.
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01 April 2015, 06:44
The first 2015 April Fool's Day joke (I hope!)
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01 April 2015, 06:44
The new editor should be an exact replica or a look-alike , of Joris at least today.
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01 April 2015, 05:12
Well, this is shocking, Joris was PreWarCar.com. You can't take away Donald from McDonalds, 47 from 4711, Hein from Heineken, or can you? I plan to start an online petition till this is reversed.
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01 April 2015, 05:09
What a great pity to hear that Joris has been ousted. It is of course hard in any organisation when there are conflicts of options. Personally I could not give a dam about 'the top end of the market of the classic car scene, with more concours reports and an increase in high-end restoration work'. This is only to appease the dealers and restoring firms who the majority of enthusiasts only use sparingly I would have thought. There are many, many publications out there touting their advertisements through their so called articles/road tests, and I now refuse to buy them. Lots of people enjoy articles on the unrestored cars, saloons and 'bread and butter cars' as well as the 'top end' of the market. That is what, I would have thought, the old car movement is all about. Good luck Joris in the future and thank you for many enjoyable evenings browsing through this site.
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01 April 2015, 02:05
I'll be saddened to see an end to the wit and poinient remarks from Boris. Having a strong opinion is always better than just going with the flow though I can appreciate that business also need to follow the cash flow. I wish you well Joris wherever you end up, its been a pleasure reading your anecdotes on a daily basis.
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01 April 2015, 01:25
I am SHOCKED and deeply saddened by the news.
I own a modest bread and butter unrestored classic vehicle, a Rover P4.
And to have something like this happen, is unforgivable !
Is this magazine to become the mouthpiece for the Exhorbitantly priced Amelia island / Pebble Beach crowd ?
If so, then it won't be seeing me for very much longer.
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I own a modest bread and butter unrestored classic vehicle, a Rover P4.
And to have something like this happen, is unforgivable !
Is this magazine to become the mouthpiece for the Exhorbitantly priced Amelia island / Pebble Beach crowd ?
If so, then it won't be seeing me for very much longer.
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01 April 2015, 00:58
I'm sad to hear this. Joris has done a magnificent service to our hobby and the balance between the top and bottom ends, until recent times, has been just right. Whether I'll continue to enjoy PWC is doubtful: the world of greed, megadollars and obsessive restoration isn't for me.
I know everyone will wish Joris success in whatever comes next!
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I know everyone will wish Joris success in whatever comes next!
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01 April 2015, 00:27
I am probably not alone in being very sad to think that Joris won't be around any longer. I met him at Beaulieu not longer after prewarcar started and was happy to have cards and publicise the website on my stand.
HOWEVER if this is to become yet another site for cars unaffordable to the ordinary person, be they restored or as found then sorry count me out. I think you may find you lose a lot of your loyal following who are interested in, as you put it, 'bread and butter vehicles'. That is insulting an patronising.
Do you have the nerve to publicise this letter?
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HOWEVER if this is to become yet another site for cars unaffordable to the ordinary person, be they restored or as found then sorry count me out. I think you may find you lose a lot of your loyal following who are interested in, as you put it, 'bread and butter vehicles'. That is insulting an patronising.
Do you have the nerve to publicise this letter?
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31 März 2015, 23:32
Joris, you AND your opinion will be missed. I hope to see you in Hershey soon.
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Welcome back after your brief sojourn Joris!!
TG for April 2
Tony