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An Alfa Fleur de Lys Mystery (Upd. Scuderia Maremmana & all cars ID-ed!)

Recently we were given this photo by the NCAD, which is the Dutch Centre for Automotive Documentation. Obviously it shows a racing team with their 1934 8C 2300 Type 35s, but instead of the usual Ferrari or Cloverleaf on the bonnet, they all sport an emblem with the ´Fleur de Lys´, the stylized lily already used in the year 493 by King Clovis I. So we suspect this must be a French team of racing drivers presenting themselves on a very hot day. Yet we have not been able to identify them, but we are positive you can tell us who, what, when and where! (click main pic for better view).

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Dienstag September 25th, 2012
Unbekannt
09 November 2012, 17:14
Yes, ALFARONNY.
Please for all, look the story book:
Jacques de Rham e la sua Scuderia Maremmana (more Photo)
Thanks
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08 November 2012, 19:29
The picture was taken at the 19360716 Develier-les Rangiers hillclimb.
#56 AR P3 3200cc - Clemente Biondetti
#40 AR P3 biposto 2900cc - Jacques De Rham
#41 AR 8C Monza 2600cc - Sergio Banti
#29 AR 6C 1500 - Toulo De Graffenried
#32 AR 6C 1750 GSZ - Ermini
Scuderia Maremmana was founded by Jacques De Rham, first for his motorcycle team (1935), and from the 1936 Mille Miglia for his racing cars.
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27 September 2012, 11:11
The editor do not have to feel too self-consious as he of course is refering to the Alfa Romeo 1935 Monoposto 8C 35 Type C, and not to the Type 35 Bugatti. Quotation: "In 1935 eight 3.8-litre versions, sharing no castings with the earlier blocks, were individually built for racing in five months, most being used in the Alfa Romeo Monoposto 8C 35 Type C, as raced by Scuderia Ferrari. The 3.8 produced 330 bhp (246 kW) at 5500 rpm, and had 320 lb·ft (434 N·m) from 900 rpm to 5500 rpm. It had 15.5-inch drum brakes all round, using Pirelli 5.25 or 5.50 x 19 tyres at the front and 7.00 or 7.50 x 19 tyres at the rear. Though not a match for the big Mercedes and Auto Union on the faster circuits, they came into their own on the tighter circuits and races". Sven Ljungström
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27 September 2012, 05:55
#29 and #32 are AR 6C 1750 GS ? Zagato.

Siegfrid Otto Hepp
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26 September 2012, 23:39
I agree with Julian on Biondetti and a couple of the other faces are familiar too - although I can't put names to them!

From the unusual numbering (odd numbers were seldom used in races) and the fact that Biondetti's car is in racing trim and the others in sports trim I think the event they're prepared for is probably a hillclimb - perhaps an Italian national event. The two furthest cars also have two people in - and apparently easily removable numbers: seven entries but only five cars?

Possibly some time in 1936, as Biondetti did actually win the Develier-Les Rangiers climb in Switzerland in a tipo B that year - although I'm not suggesting it's actually that event.
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26 September 2012, 15:04
More on No.40.

Anthony Pritchard's "Mille Miglia" contains information obtained by Luigi Orsini.

Following the 1935 Mille Miglia, the Tipo B (No.5001 or Ferrari no. SF33) was sold to Scuderia Maremmana of Grosetto and it was for them that Biondetti drove the car in the 1936 race. The symbol (presumably the Scuderia Maremmana badge) was clearly displayed on the car in 1936 race photos.

Studying the photo shows the same horn arrangement as the Tipo B Biposto and the lack of an outside exhaust on the nearside almost certainly rules out it being a 2300 Monza model.
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26 September 2012, 14:43
The driver of No. 56 is Clemente Biondetti, multiple winner of the Mille Miglia.

No. 40 just could be the 1935 Mille Miglia winning Alfa Romeo Tipo B modified with a slim two-seater cockpit. Biondetti drove the car to fourth place in 1936 (behind the works 2900Bs) and as can be seen from the photo he was beefy fellow so suffered considerably from cramp.

The "Cloverleaf" on Alfa Romeos was actually a Quadrafoglio or four-leafed clover.
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william hearne
26 September 2012, 05:54
Just had another look and #40 may possibly be a tipo B also. #41 definately a monza as exhaust on nearside whereas tipo B is on offside. If #40 is a tipo B it looks to have been set up for road use with side mounted spare wheel and wings. Note that both #56 and #40 have twin fillers at the rear and one at the front.
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william hearne
26 September 2012, 05:10
#56 is a tipo B [monoposto]. #40 and 41 are Monza [biposto] and #29 and 32 could either be 8c or possibly 6c. Dont wish to be rude but none are type 35's [you are getting mixed up with Bugatti].

Editor RB is now blushing heavily!
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