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A customs Humber Snipe Mystery? (upd. 1936/37 Hillman Hawk)

A Simon Johnstons sends this photo: "A friend of mine found this photograph amongst family photos. It was taken in 1937. We're trying to identify the make and think that it might possibly be a Humber Snipe. But the four door drophead coachwork is unusual so can anyone confirm exactly what it is?"
Editor: no idea if this is Humber or not, but the horizontal detailing of the radiator will probably bring us somewhere else.... talking about that, which country border is visited here?

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Sonntag November 27th, 2011
jean paul cambier
31 Juli 2025, 23:51
good evening, i recently bought in belgium from a deseased estate a hilmann 80 wingham martin walker 1937 in good condition.
Maybe I am the owner of the car on the photo. Unfortunately I have no history of the car who is in belgium since 1982.
All info welcome
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30 Dezember 2012, 14:04
I believe this is a 1936 Hawk, my dad used to have one and from my old photo it is exactly the same. From my researches I cannot see any differences between the 36 and 37 model years, but I'm sure there must be one or teo??? Anyone know?
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07 Juli 2012, 20:20
I was intrigued by this photo.
I think I might have this car's twin a 1937 Hillman 80.
Even the number plate is very similar with only the last number different.
What is known about the family who owned it?
Richard
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29 November 2011, 18:07
Looks like a 1935/36 Hillman "Hawk/Sixteen" or "80" Wingham Convertible Cabriolet incorporating "EVENKEEL" - the wonderful new suspension!
An example of these models can be seen on the 2011 'Classic Motoring' calendar - for the month of November.
If it is a "Hawk" or "Sixteen" Wingham, the price in 1935/36 was £435 and £475 for the "80".
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29 November 2011, 10:40
When enlarging the picture I see this Hillman does have the sidelights- so it probably is a 1936 model. From its coachwork its clear the car following is of about the same year- I will to identify it. I note the Hillmans AA badge. A member traveling abroad would inform the AA where he wanted to go and the organization provided a fantastic personalized route map 'book' running to many 'fold out' pages, detailing all hostelries and everything of interest you could want to see along the way. It must have cost a fortune to produce this, but I remember my father receiving one for a trip to Spain as late as 1957. No sat nav could possibly compare with it!
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28 November 2011, 10:33
This is a 1937 model Hillman. The 36's had small side lights on the front wings. However it could be a 16, a Hawk or an 80- the Martin Walter Wingham Cabriolet was available for all three. The first two had a 9ft wheelbase and the 80 a long 10ft 6in. The picture angle here is very deceptive and I wouldn't rule out the 80. Humbers had vertical bars to their grills and were a bit more 'flash'. The chief engineer came from Studebaker and the cars had become very transatlantic in style, whilst the 'evenkeel' front suspesion was ok but not the best of designs. A 'Wingham' on an 80 chassis cost £395- quite a lot more than the £325 saloon.
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28 November 2011, 09:34
Many thanks for the comments and suggestions. In fact since sending the picture in I'd done some further research that pretty much confirmed the car to be a Hillman Hawk. As far as I can determine from the handwritten comments in the photo album from which the picture came the photograph was taken at the border crossing between Belfort and Switzerland on Monday 7th June 1937 (sorry, can't be more precise about the time!).
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28 November 2011, 08:51
May I suggest that this car is infact a Hillman Hawk with perhaps coachwork by Martin Walker. The front grille is to austere for a Humber.

Warmest regards

Mike Wheadon
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28 November 2011, 08:41
It's a 1936 Hillman Hawk
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28 November 2011, 07:36
Good Morning, the uniform of officers looks like the uniform of the French police, and the second car on the picture looks like an after 1933 Chenard et Walcker.
May be the picture was taken in France, or an old french colony.
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28 November 2011, 05:33
It's a Hillman, possibly a Hawk from about '37. It could be Maltby bodied.
Graham.See: http://histomobile.com/dvd_histomobile/fr/16/1936_Hillman_Hawk.htm
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28 November 2011, 01:23
Could this be a 1936 Humber/Hillman 18 Wingham cabriolet ?
http://www.uniquecarsandparts.com.au/car_spotters_guide_europe_1937.htm
scroll down for similar 16 version
Stuart
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