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1923 Citroen B2 Torpedo, Luxe, Tourism Luxe, Torpedo Sport or...?



Craig Little lives in a citro-dilemma: "In an attempt to clearly define what type of B2 Citroen I own, I have been pouring over the book 'Citroen 10 HP' by Bernard Laurent and Revue Technique Automobile’s Citroen 1919 -1926 in the 'Les archives du Collectionneur'. With minimum ability in French and in far away Australia, the task is not easy. Given many variations in name and details in the original, and add in local Australian content in the form of  bodywork and choice of instruments and it all gets very difficult indeed. 

What I need is some informed assistance, by which I mean genuine familiarity and knowledge and not that kind that simply comes “Off the top of my head”. which will lead me nowhere. If it helps, the chassis is typical B2 as illustrated in the aforementioned books and original hand book … with the exception that the rear axle carries finned brake drums of almost 300 mm exterior diameter compared with drums of around 230mm diameter on other examples I have seen. The engine has the designation B1184 DB which has been suggested to me is early.  But does the DB signify anything? And what about that finely sculptured four bladed fan? I cant find another quite like it. Then there’s the four spoke steering wheel which has the to-date, unique feature of ergonomic lumps in the rim opposite the end of the spokes. 

The body is an original Australian take on the French of the period. Built by Richards & Sons in South Australia, who were responsible for a number of period Citroen bodies here. Their choice of American instruments (Oil and Ammeter) probably relates to a cost savings in the use of instruments common to what was stocked for bodies built for other makes. The Ruby Ricardo head can be ignored in the equation, as I chose to fit that in the process of the engine rebuild. Also the  generator. That’s new,Volkswagen. I fitted it with with a partial alloy casing, to take it to the diameter of the original. … to get things going. And it works, just great.

To put it in context, when I got it, the Citroen, it  was complete down to the last nut and bolt, but very tired and ripe for restoration. This it emerged, amounted to everything from new body frame to complete engine and transmission rebuild. The story that came with it was that it was believed to have belonged to a professional Kangaroo shooter who had kept it going long beyond the useful period of its contemporaries. A retro fitted dipstick complete with .303 British rifle cartridge as a handle seemed to bear this out. That’s about it unless I have overlooked something I am not aware of. If you actually know more about it than I do, I would be very grateful to find out." 

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Dienstag April 14th, 2015
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09 Juli 2016, 12:11
Craig,

Came across your enquiries today quite by chance. I own a 1927 12/24 (aka B14) and a Traction. I know a fellow nearby who has restored a number of RWD Citroens and is probably the expert you need to speak to if you have any outstanding questions on your car(s). Sadly he does not do computers/email etc, so any correspondence with him would be by snail mail.

Cheers
Martin de Little.

PS google my name, find your way to Handmade Furniture and all will be revealed...
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17 April 2015, 07:31
PeterDew, the term 'colonial' as applied to 1920s European cars simply indicates some modifications for cars exported to hotter climates or far flung places where perhaps road surfaces were more punishing than in Europe. Certainly there was a Fiat 501 Coloniale (sp??) which had a wider track.
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15 April 2015, 18:42
I am surprised to have to tell anyone that Australia wasn't a colony in 1923, when the Citroen B2 under discussion was made, though it may have seemed that way after WW1. Even today, after having voted to keep the Queen, the relationship still seems a bit odd.
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15 April 2015, 13:15
Craig, I would have thought as you suggest to it being a colonial model. European manufacturers often made mods for their export models - For example, Delage raised the ground clearance, and had a wider front track (plus a few other minor mods)
The 4 blade fan and larger brakes could point to this - not sure about the steering wheel though, but not an unreasonable mod?
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15 April 2015, 12:58
My 1922 B2 : chassis number 57841has engine number B 1550 CB . In the stock that came with the car are also a four blade fan and an rear axle with the same big finned brake drums.
Till 2014 my car only had three owners all living in the middle of France. Model was a four door torpedo luxe.
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15 April 2015, 11:49
I `ve got a CITROEN with type A engine and also A frame. It`s a open twoseater with boattail and verry thin beadad edge tyres. Also with the same for spoke stearing wheel. Original color is bright blue like so much other open twoseater. But I am wondering,because of my radiator and the bonnet, it is type B!!! Kind regards, Nino
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15 April 2015, 02:26
I presume that you must have asked the question on
http://www.coachbuild.com/
regarding the "Downunder Coachbuilders"
They show a 1933 Citroen Rosalie, by TJ Richards there, so they must know more !
Good Luck !
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15 April 2015, 00:31
Great to see my queries featured thankyou. But one thing I forgot to mention. The bottom bronze /copper water yoke that supports the fan is different and has a higher fan mounting to the casting to allow the fan clearance. Could this be a Colonial hot climate variation?
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